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SO's still required to make judgement calls regarding cover.

One of the biggest complaints that I hear from shooters about IDPA is that SO's have to make subjective calls. Especially in regards to cover.  In the section regarding no use of fault lines there is...

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Chris, While I respectfully disagree with the 3 reasons you think fault lines would hurt, I understand your logic. I think your post brings up some important points. Cover is often very hard to call...

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daveshoots wrote:The reason most of those top shooters leave is that the cover rule cannot be accurately officiated with them, they're too fast. So spending training time, travel and $$ to go...

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Sirveyr wrote:daveshoots wrote:The reason most of those top shooters leave is that the cover rule cannot be accurately officiated with them, they're too fast. So spending training time, travel and $$...

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I would much prefer to use the edge of the target.  With that you have two existing points that we can line up.  When you have to do that from one point to the middle of an object it is more difficult...

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Sandy, Did you see Rick's Power Factor show, proving the outside edge of the target is highly flawed as a cover line? The proof was pretty dramatic. Koski also did the same thing in his basement with...

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freeidaho wrote:Sandy, Did you see Rick's Power Factor show, proving the outside edge of the target is highly flawed as a cover line? The proof was pretty dramatic. Koski also did the same thing in...

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freeidaho wrote:. And besides, new rulebook or not, only one SO in ten is going to call cover anyway. New rules don't change that.  I'd be happy if they used any part of the target as the origin of...

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Dave that is why we have a minimum of two folks on a stage. The Scorekeeper is also empowered. What you are now into how effective the training was for the SO's and there experience level. The fact in...

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robertbank wrote:Dave that is why we have a minimum of two folks on a stage. The Scorekeeper is also empowered. And that works part of the time just fine. But the fact of the matter is that even with...

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How many overzealous, inexperienced, cover-call-happy SOs is everyone running into? The people who complain about cover being too subjective, matches ruined, etc., are you getting a half-dozen cover...

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Rick, It has been my experience that the only time someone gripes about cover calls, is when a correct one is made. I have watched stages at the Nats since 2007, and cover is not called at all by some...

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freeidaho wrote:At 2012 Nats I had an SO so mad at me on the BBQ stage across the road on the deck, Ken ReedThere was enough dang mud on that BBQ of yours that everybody was coated with cover!

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Jane, Yes, we got rained on a bit. If it ain't raining, it ain't a Nationals or a World Round:) Ken Reed

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I bet shooters getting away with not using cover or even close at local matches has more to do with the perceived issue with cover than any other single thing.+1  ^^^^^^^^^^By NOT making a cover call,...

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freeidaho wrote: At 2012 Nats I had an SO so mad at me on the BBQ stage across the road on the deck, that he was yelling at me. I was running SOs. He was mad at me because I called him on his torso on...

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An assumption or a determination? Someone who wasn't there might be making an assumption, but the person working the stage would be making a determination.

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Both would be assumptions, which is why I am not making any critique on the call, only on the reasons he gave the shooter.

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Strick wrote:freeidaho wrote: At 2012 Nats I had an SO so mad at me on the BBQ stage across the road on the deck, that he was yelling at me. I was running SOs. He was mad at me because I called him on...

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Ken using the nationals as your example for cover calls isn't a good representation of what is going on elsewhere. At the nationals you usually have more experienced SOs. Those of you who don't think...

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Glshooter wrote:Ken using the nationals as your example for cover calls isn't a good representation of what is going on elsewhere. At the nationals you usually have more experienced SOs. Those of you...

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